Obama’s speech scores with voters, as ‘celebrity’ critique doesn’t register
Dante Chinni
Posted: 08.29.2008 / 8:06 AM PDT
Denver – Amidst the fireworks and the confetti, Senator Barack Obama, the new Democratic presidential nominee, looked confident as he walked off stage. The speech he gave last night was not typical for him – soaring rhetoric was not the focus and it was heavier than usual on policy – but the crowd was roaring.
And judging from the responses from some of our Patchwork Nation communities the night was a hit.
In the end, Obama chose not to give a big thematic speech, but rather a speech with a lot pieces.
There was some ode to the middle class, a bit of biography, a good slice of agenda, and some shots at McCain. It threw out lines and ideas that were clearly aimed at the party faithful – education, corporate responsibility, health care for all. But it was also a disarming speech, one that directly hit on some of the areas McCain has been trumpeting – cutting programs, eliminating bureaucracy, supporting nuclear power.
And if indeed the speech was more “workman like” – the phrase that Obama’s team had pounded into the heads of the press over the last few days – it may have been because the campaign believed the “soaring” part of the evening would be handle by the visual.
On TV and in person, it was. The images of thousands of American flags and signs set off by the constant twinkling flash of cameras and set to the sound of a roaring crowd made a powerful backdrop. And in stadium-rock fashion Sheryl Crow and Stevie Wonder warmed up the crowd or more than 80,000.
For the Obama campaign, it wasn’t all about the TV moments though. There were all sorts of ways for them to gather information about the supporters at Invesco Field.
They invited the crowd to text message the campaign with their reasons for supporting Obama. They asked he assembled to text message to make stars on a map on the stadium’s big screen light up and grow. And anyone buying a button or hat or t-shirt from the “Official Obama Store” had to fill out a contribution form that gathered data like street and email addresses and phone numbers.
Can the uber-organized Obama camp find ways to further their organization and gather more donations? Yes, they can!
Outside of the stadium though and in the living rooms our Patchwork Nation communities the speech seems to have been seen as a success overall.
Despite the attacks of Senator John McCain to discredit Obama as a mere “celebrity,” none of the people from our communities, even Obama’s critics, were taken aback by the stadium setting – or even mentioned it.
“Seeing Obama’s speech tonight, I was reminded that a national leader can have the ability to inspire people, to motivate them to do their best,” wrote James Rickman, a Patchwork Nation blogger in Los Alamos, New Mexico (our “Monied Burbs” community). “Obama may get criticized for being a “personality,” but what’s wrong with that? It’s about time this nation had a “personality” at the helm to help us get back on track.”
In Nixa, Missouri, (our “Evangelical Epicenters” community), people who gathered to watch the speech responded to its policy aspects. “I think that it was a wise choice for Obama to talk about policy, rather than just the soaring rhetoric of the past.
It went over well among Christian County Democrats,” said John Schmalzbauer, one of our Nixa bloggers.
Michael O’Brien, a recent graduate from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor (our “Campus and Careers” community) wrote in an email that he thought the speech was “a little long” and thought it “glossed over” Iraq. Overall, though, he wrote, “the guy can clearly speak.”
“Obama did a lot to emphasize humility, which was incredibly smart,” O’Brien wrote. “Two great lines on this front: “The promise is the only reason I am standing here tonight;” “This election has never been about me. It’s about you.”
Down in Clermont, Florida, however, (the community that represents “Emptying Nests” locales) Ann Dupee, one of our Patchwork Nation bloggers there, was worried about the costs of Obama’s proposals. “I am surprised that Barrack praised his grandparents who knew what hard work was [but] did not push that theme, rather [it was] everything for everyone except the fat cats,” she wrote.
What this means when viewed through all our Patchwork Nation communities, remains to be seen, of course. And instant snapshots are just that, quick captures of a moment.
Over time those thoughts and opinions can change. That’s something we’ll be watching in the coming days and weeks.
But despite the lack of a big thematic discussion Thursday, Obama’s focus on policy will likely help him with voters who told us they didn’t know what exactly Obama wanted to do or who exactly he was. And in a larger sense, the last four days in Denver probably helped introduce the Illinois senator in the places he needed it.
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:12 am PDT
One of the highlights of the evening for me were the “ordinary citizens” who came to speak in favor of their candidate. It reminded me of Meet John Doe, that Capra movie, which depicts the gathering together of ordinary citizens to make a difference. I enjoyed the entire convention (some speeches more than others) and thought it was a good launch to the last leg of our political season.
Will President Obama make some mistakes in office? Yes, of course. He’s mortal and human. But I for one, am ready for some new mistakes–a departure from the entrenched policies and personalities we have now. As a Republican, I can hardly wait to scour up an Obama button and wear it on my lapel. Thanks for your coverage.
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:15 am PDT
McCain will say anything, do anything, change any position, and jettison any friend to gain the power of the Presidency. He has lost all credibility, and as a result, no speech, no matter how well written by his speechwriters, and no matter how well read by McCain, is going to change our minds.
There, fixed it for you, Fred…
August 29th, 2008 at 9:16 am PDT
Anyone whose mind cannot be changed, “no matter what,” is a fool. We’ve had the stubborn, “I don’t care what the people think” president and he and his Big Corporate Billionaire handlers are ruining this nation. I want a president who is MORE INTELLIGENT than average, not the below-average-Joe we’re forced to endure now. I’ve been reserving judgement until I knew more about Obama and after last night I’ve made up my mind. I won’t just vote AGAINST four more years of this national nightmare, I will happily cast my vote FOR Obama.
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:25 am PDT
Reid, your premise is laughable. “If you are influenced by rhetoric”? What else are intelligent thoughtful people influenced by? peer pressure? fear? Rhetoric is not a word that means trickery. It means to persuade by offering factual, historical and verifiable support. Get a dictionary…oh wait your a republican you already defunded your library.
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:27 am PDT
Ron- have you ever even hear Obama speak? He has never compared himself to MLK. You are making a “strawman” argument…look it up…as you seem not to have looked anything else up.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:28 am PDT
Wow, whatever Judy said musta been a doozy! The admin removed it, I see.
Dante Chinni, very nicely written article. I think this is the second, but could be the third [will have to check my bookmarks] piece of yours I have read and enjoyed. It’s nice to read a news report written without the tabloid sensationalism so common to the MSM these days.
Thank you and God Bless
August 29th, 2008 at 9:28 am PDT
I am totally sold after watching his speech. Totally moving speech wants you want to push to your limit. If this is not inspiring to most people then these people will never be inspired by anything in life. Brilliant speech a great setting and beautifully said. I have never voted in primaries and i fill guilty not voting him but its ok will have another chance in november. I even signed up to volunteer on his site. Obama08
August 29th, 2008 at 9:29 am PDT
Again Joske, because you are unfamiliar with history like Judy.Fascism is the marriage of ultra-conservative nationaist idealogues with pro business bureaucratniks. Sound like anyone familiar?
August 29th, 2008 at 9:30 am PDT
How can you have all these posts about what Judy Hall said without including Judy Hall’s post? If hers is removed, so should the others relating to her post be removed.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:31 am PDT
Andrew,
I’ve been to 2 rallies where Obama spoke. As an Independant voter still seeking someone to vote for, I listen to the content. And yes Andrew - he does cast himself in that light - I can’t John McCain and after listening to Obama, I’ve no one to vote for.
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:32 am PDT
Dante Chinni needs to proofread his own work if the Christian Science Monitor can’t afford to proofread it for him. I’ll do it for free, just this once:
“a speech with a lot pieces.”
“workman like” (should be one word)
“would be handle by the visual”
“They asked he assembled to text message”
“make stars on a map on the big screen at the stadium light up and grow” (glow?)
“I am surprised that Barrack…” (Barracks are where you house troops. The dude’s name is “Barack”.)
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:35 am PDT
What a phenomenal speaking Barack…!!! America’s obsession to stupidity is not cute anymore. I guess 8 years of bush was enough for a lot. We need an intelligent, articulate person for white house. Obama is the best choice.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:36 am PDT
I have to say “wow” again - are these negative posters Christians? They seem hate-driven.
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:39 am PDT
To answer Jay:
He has no experience - MCCAIN: He voted over 90% of the time with Bush and look where that got us - experience or not, it didn’t help the country much. Also - McCain also got his political start because of his connections, his money and family ties. Obama worked his way up serving the community.
He is going to raise taxes - yeah, on the VERY rich. Or are YOU one of them? For the rest of us we’ll get tax CUTS.
He is going to increase business regulation - No - didn’t you listen to his speech? He’s going to help small business people, entrepreneurs, etc. with tax breaks including big corporations if they create and bring jobs BACK to the U.S. - And look how much deregulation has brought us - jobs are outsourced, China and Saudi Arabia own more of America than we do.
He wants to socialize medicine - He said the same insurance policies that Washington politicians get will be offered to those who can’t afford regular insurance. And there are a whole bunch of other plans for health care as well. Do YOU have health insurance? How good is it? I have Cigna and a $2,000 deductible, which means every time I go to the doctor, unless it’s something huge that goes over the deductible, I have to pay. And what’s so bad about socialized medicine anyway? Universal health care? I think that should be a WORLD issue.
He has a relationship with an unrepentant terrorist who
bombed the pentagon and wishes he would have done more - HUH? Man, you are listening to Hannity WAY too much. And how many people have you known in the past that turned out to be shining American citizens? I think if you dig hard enough every one of us have had acquaintances who ended up doing something horrendous.
He sat in a church for 20 yrs listening to ‘GD America’
and other racial slurs - have YOU ever been to a black church? And remember, a lot of what Wright said was taken out of contrast. I’ve heard things like that in Jewish synagogues before so that didn’t shock me at all.
He was wrong about the surge and now wants to take credit. - No, he voted for going to Afghanistan from the start and NOT Iraq and mentioned the surge years before it came up. I can cite you URLs with those articles, but I won’t.
He wanted to surrender - He wanted to have a timeline and have a plan to pull the troops out. That’s not surrendering.
He wants to meet with the leaders of rogue states without
pre-conditions - That’s a right-wing radio talk show point - I’ve heard it a million times. And it’s not true.
He’s a lawyer from Harvard - And Bush was… And McCain graduated in the BOTTOM 1% of his class. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a SMART president instead of a dumb one for a change?
He used hard drugs - And Bush did… and let’s look at the times he grew up in. Who didn’t do drugs in the ’70s?
He didn’t want his daughters punished with a baby. He is
pro-abortion - He is Pro-Choice, something you probably won’t understand and sees that in order to fight off unwanted pregnancies education is one way to go.
His wife is not patriotic - another right-wing radio talk show point and ridiculous. I think after her speech everyone in the country knows better.
He didn’t wear a flag lapel pin until he was forced to. - Yawn. This is such a stupid statement it doesn’t deserve an answer.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am PDT
I just love the Republicans in this forum running scared. Making inane comparisons, attributing statements to Obama that he never made. What else can they do? They have no viable Candidate. They have a candidate who not only promises more of the same. I would like just one Republican to comments on this.
“I didn’t decide
to run for President to start a national crusade for the political reforms I
believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In
truth, I wanted to be President because it had become my ambition to be
President. I was sixty-two years old when I made the decision and I thought it
was my one shot at the prize.”
-Senator John
McCain
Excerpt from his book: “Worth the Fighting For: A Memoir” (2002)
Thats who you want to run this country………..not me, no thanks!
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:44 am PDT
I don’t think McCain has a snowball’s chance, especially after Obama’s speech. It was direct, unpretentious, and combined the requisite rhetoric with genuine principles and specific policies.
It should be made very clear that Barack Obama is not promoting a nanny-state or any remote notion even resembling fascism (something that Rove and Bush could be accused of far more readily).
The overarching conceopt behind the Obama vision is summed up in his own words: individual responsibility, and mutual responsibility.
Those who lack the first become victims and whiners; those who lack the second become bitter and hard-hearted self-servers. Obama lacks neither, and promotes both as the guiding principles of a more sane society.
Odd, that these ideas –sound principles both– produce such bitter reactions in some people’s minds. I can only assume that they are not up to even asking the right questions, let alone noticing a right answer.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:45 am PDT
Andrew — you’d be well-served to bone up on your F.A. Hayek and Ludwig von Mises. I mean, if you actually want to master a correct understanding of Fascism. Then again, you could just continue with your leftist spin. Yeah, that’s probably what you’ll do.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:46 am PDT
Barack Obama wanted to be president at 5 and John McCain “was sixty-two years old when I made the decision.”
NOW you see who’s the more strategic of the 2 candidates. Obama has been working towards this goal for 42 years.
I say, let the man win who wants the prize the most!
August 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am PDT
Jay - that’s a fine post. I wonder how you could think all these things, and still be considering voting for Obama. But, if you’ll read it, I’d like to respond to your concerns, and answer your question - “why should I vote for this guy?”
“No experience” - bull. State senator and US senator. 47 years old (not a teenager). Obviously very, very good at building an organization and putting together good people - exactly what a president is supposed to do well when putting together a cabinet. His organizational experience scored a major upset against Hillary, right?
“Raise taxes” - this is a lie. Unless you’re a very rich person or corporation. Do you think “trickle down” has been working out okay?
“Increase biz regulation” - specifics, please? But yes, I think corporations have too much power.
“Socialize medicine” - yes, I freaking hope so! But no, the Democrats (and Obama) now claim to favor a watered-down fix to our health care mess. If you think our current system is working, or that health care should be left to market forces like any other commodity (unlike ANY other 1st world country) - I’d like to hear you argue this.
“Unrepentant terrorist relationship” - huh? Looking like a right wing hater here, Jay.
“Rev Wright” - before excoriating Obama for being in this church, please read something about Wright’s background and deeds. I don’t agree with all he’s ever said, but he’s clearly a good man. I’m thinking you haven’t been to any of his sermons? Have you been to any other black churches?
“Wrong about surge” - really? How do you think? A “surge”, by definition, is a temporary increase in troops. Have any “surge” troops come back? Isn’t Iraq in better shape because of the Iraqis? Or maybe because we have so many troops over there we’re basically policemen? Or is the surge working because Petraeus (a Bush appointee, obvious Bushie) says it is?
“Wanted to surrender” - okay, obviously you’re a right wing weasel. Not that all right wingers are, but you started this by saying you’re not sure who you might vote for. “Wanted to surrender” my ***.
“Lawyer from Harvard” - see above. You’re a troll.
Barack Obama was the first black guy to head up the Harvard Law Review. He did his undergrad at Columbia. He comes from a modest background, and spent the first years of his career working for the poor. He could have made a **** of a lot more money with that kind of education pedigree, but he didn’t. He has enough experience. He’s a **** of a smart guy. He has given plenty of specifics as to what he wants to do for this country. JOHN MCCAIN FINISHED 894 OUT OF 899 IN THE U.S. NAVAL ACADEMY. HIS FATHER WAS AN ADMIRAL, HIS GRANDFATHER WAS AN ADMIRAL, HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHER OWNED A HUGE PLANTATION. He had EVERY advantage in life, and at school. Finishing 894 of 899 should ALONE disqualify you from serving as president. If Daddy wasn’t a huge political figure, Johnny wouldn’t have graduated at all. He’s just not very impressive.
Vote Obama.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:49 am PDT
This coming from an independent I must say obama has done a pretty darn good job in inspiring this country. I also would say that the only success McCain has achieved is through the contemporary means of republican slash & burn politics. I will be voting for Obama this year because I would rather say I tried 4 years down the road rather than empower whats not working already….
August 29th, 2008 at 9:50 am PDT
Yes, hate-driven. Nobody in my church uses these tones to discuss Obama. But then, I’m from the northwest where racists are few.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:50 am PDT
Everytime the status quo uses its divisive Rovian bag of dirty tricks to wrest power for the elite few from the American people…the learning curve flattens a little more. Obama’s message and how it has resonated with voters indicates that this may be the year that Rove (Who is nothing more than the orphaned protege of Donald Segretti (sp)) can finally take his rightful place in the dustbin of history.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am PDT
Wow! What an awesome speech by Obama last night! And shall we not forget the pitch perfect speech that came from his wife Michelle?
…. it’s good and all, people. But we should all remember! The problem is that, as the American public was foolish enough to vote for George Bush — twice –, has been foolish enough to support (either actively or inactively) the war in Iraq, and is grossly unaware of the pernicious forces that control our country, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. …. I am in very little doubt that McCain will be elected as President in November.
My only hope is that John McCain and his VP pick (who’m I’m guessing will be Lieberman) will waste no time and move to speed towards the destruction of this country. …To the point of leaving the public of the United States NO choice but to either perish from their foolishly inept refusal to elect the right candidates into office, or for them march by hundreds of million into the streets of Town Hall demanding the 1st World privileges we’ve been so wrongly robbed of.
America’s democracy has not AT ALL resulted in a government that is representative of and looks to the betterment of its’ general population. And only the most senile will deny that it is the wealthy FEW who stake out their share here. This, my friends, has been the result of American’s inability to come to grasp with the light of day. And there doesn’t seem to be any end to this in sight.
The only solution is to either let the country vote itself into wretched the wretched arms of Lucifer’s estate… or for the people to rise as a collective unity and demand the change that we NEED — Obama or not!
August 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am PDT
I can’t believe the amount of ridiculous posts I’ve read thus far. It’s almost comical to think people actually believe some of the things that they write. As far as the whole Obama debate goes, people are going to believe whatever they are going to believe replacing the facts with lines straight out of the media without doing any certain sort of research to see what Obama (or McCain for that matter) really stands for.
I’ll end with this: as evidenced by the last 8 years from Bush and members of his cabinet, experience can be a highly overrated commodity. I’ll take someone who can surround himself with intelligent people, take their advice and make sound sound decisions.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:54 am PDT
What I really liked about Obama’s speech is that everyone, no matter from the right or the left could find something to agree with him on.
The right-God and country, nuclear power, invading Pakistan to rout out Osama bin Laden, etc.
The left-Government health care, social security, education handouts, etc.
Barack Obama is a man whose opinions span the entire political spectrum, from far left to far right. Who, then could possibly come up with a reason NOT to vote for the man??????????????
August 29th, 2008 at 9:55 am PDT
‘Thou shalt not kill’ looks to me like the republicans go that one wrong and McCaine will continue in the same mold.
‘Thou shalt not covet ‘ Mmm perhaps the present republican leadership have got that one wrong as well after all they are making a lot of money at the expense of the American soldier.
‘ Thou shalt not commit adultery’ by all accounts McCain has done that.
How many more Christian virtues have gone down the drain by the so called supporters. What about torture and internment without trial are these Christian ideas ? Sounds to me more like the gestapo and kgb they were the bad guys remember.
What we need is someone who puts the American people first it doesn’t matter if they are black or white, male or female , rich or poor but I cant see McCain doing it.
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:58 am PDT
“OBAMA FOR DOG CATCHER 08″
And McCain for dog. He’s caught up in his “hero” status. Check your facts. His fellow POW’s tell a different story. One of special treatment for McCain in that camp. Wonder how he got that?
August 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am PDT
McCain is dirty politician playing the age old political tricks. This election is different. Dont want the same old politics. Its the age of internet. want somebody who know what internet is.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:00 am PDT
Apparently if you’re not an Obamappologist your comments are deemed “inappropriate.” Just like the left — don’t debate the issues, just silence the opposition.
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August 29th, 2008 at 10:03 am PDT
We Americans are actually foolish enough to vote for any monkey who beats their chest hard enough and scares the livin’ daylights out of us as to what might happen if we don’t elect them.
I vote that Americans will quickly forget last night’s speech just like we forget almost everything else of importance in this rush-rush, get out the garbage and off to work kind of world we now struggle in.
May the best chest-beater win!
August 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am PDT
Mc Cain will try to take some cheap shots at Obama. I am not surprised at that. i dont think so its going to sticks anytime soon. Obama train has moved to Washington.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:07 am PDT
Say what you will (Republicans), about the speech; at least the man wrote it, himself. How refreshing it will be to have a United States President, who is actualy intelligent, has a high IQ, and believes in Science. Talk about Change!!!
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August 29th, 2008 at 10:15 am PDT
Scott — Right, he believes in Science. So much so he winds up his mega-tantrum with “God Bless You, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!” Yeah, he’s a regular Darwin that Obama. As for his Intelligence Quotient… it’s the same as George Bush’s.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:16 am PDT
Two words… Adlai Stevenson. You gotta love the Democrats — they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:17 am PDT
I really hope that this nation can pull its collective head out of the sand and see the state of this nation and the world for what it is. We have been led by a puppet regime for 8 years representing the interests of the ultra-wealthy with some credence paid to the religious right to keep the sheep in the Republican’s pasture. It is so easy to make glib statements and take pot-shots at the candidate that you do not support but it is truly time for change more so than ever in my 31 years and Obama represents the best chance for that change. This political season has been difficult for me because I had strong positive feeling regard Mr. McCain and it saddens me that it appears he has been swayed from his more moderate views to the near-fascist levels that the GOP espouses. I have learned in life that you are more often rewarded for being willing to make a change and fight the fear of what is new and I believe that Obama represents that new horizon even if only within the narrow scope that the presidency holds. If you are happy with Billions being spent every month in Iraq to ensure that the big petroleum companies can ensure their profit margins vote Republican. If you want the government to set policies that allow the working classes, the retirees (I do prefer the British term pensioners) and the youth of America to have a chance to live a lifestyle that is reasonable without being in piles of debt vote Democratic and especially vote for Obama. Don’t think I blindly follow any party allegiance; I think the Democratic party has some weaknesses which need to be corrected but for right now, today and for the short term and long term future we need to restore the power to the people and give Democracy a chance.
Republicans want you to allow them to govern with their own idea of what is good for you (which is instead good for the very few), Democratic want to govern as what they believe is the best for the majority (and do a good job more often than not).
Final though think about the 8 years Clinton was in office and think about the 8 years Bush is/was in office and ask yourself which were better for you and more importantly when was our nation strong.
God Bless America and all who dwell on Earth
August 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am PDT
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C.E.P. Typical Obama cultist response. I’d rather have someone who emphasizes his service to this country as President, than someone like Obama who has no record of service to this country, and is a racist to boot.”
Dont care to address my post about why McCain wants to be president? Of course not, it’s so much easier to call names. Service to this country isnt all about how many planes you can crash. Obama was head of the Harvard Law review, McCain graduated 894 out of 899. McCain left his wife because of a crippling accident and one month later married into wealth. He obviously had a affair. Funny how you repubs always brought that up about Clinton but dont even mention it when it comes to McCain. I’m glad your happy with the last 8 years of lies, deceit, torture, biggest deficit in history, Bin Laden still free. Yes McCain would be the GOP’s choice, he fits perfectly.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am PDT
Some counter-points to Jay:
You said: He has no experience
My response: The man has more than 10 years of legislative experience and even before then was a community leader. To say he has “no” experience is just patently false. I’m not going to go there with the “Abraham Lincoln’s experience” comparison, lest it become cliche, but you might want to do some research there. You can say he has less experience than John McCain, but if that’s what you’re going to measure your candidates by then should we always just elect the most senior senator to the presidency every four years?
You said: He is going to raise taxes
My response: Have you even looked at the comparative tax plans of Obama and McCain? Obama’s tax plans decrease taxes for those making under $111,000 a year more than McCain. And for the average national income of between $40,000 and $67,000 Obama’s plan gives back $800 a year more than McCain’s. Obama’s plan only raises taxes on those making over $600,000 a year, and only most heavily taxes those making over $2,870,000 a year. And even then, taxpayers will on average see a cut under the Obama plan. Look it up: “comparative chart obama mccain tax plan”
You said: He is going to increase business regulation
I say: Good. Deregulation of business is arguably a major part of what has led to our current energy crisis, as well as the bubbling and collapse of the economy in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. I believe in all things in moderation and we need to increase business regulation to bring our economy back into shape right now after years of too much “free market” recklessness has put our country into a economic and security hole, while padding the pockets of China, the Middle East, Europe, Washington D.C. and Wall Street.
You said: He wants to socialize medicine
My response: Again, look at what the “free market” of HMOs has done to our system. Yes, it works for those who have money, but it doesn’t work for those that don’t, and unless you live in a total bubble, isolated from those that need help and can’t afford it, that burden will probably eventually affect you and your community as well.
You said: He has a relationship with an unrepentant terrorist who bombed the pentagon and wishes he would have done more.
My response: If you legitimately believe this smear, I can only suggest that you look more into facts offered by non-partisan sources. Enough said.
You said: He sat in a church for 20 yrs listening to ‘GD America’ and other racial slurs
My response: Have you ever read the entirety of that sermon in context??? If you did, you’d see that the quote isn’t “GD America” it’s “God is just and will not support America if it strays from a truly righteous and Christian course.”
You said: He was wrong about the surge and now wants to take credit.
My response: He was right because what he said is that the surge and the Iraq War were diverting attention from where it should be focused, the conflict in Afghanistan and pursuit of Bin Laden, Al Quada and the terrorists that attacked us in 2001. Don’t tell me that we don’t need to catch that guy and bring him to justice!!!
You said: He wanted to surrender
My response: This is so vague, I’m not sure I know what you’re talking about. If you’re talking about Iraq, see my response above.
You said: He wants to meet with the leaders of rogue states without pre-conditions
My response: Explain to me why that’s bad.
You said: He’s a lawyer from Harvard
My response: Yes he has a law degree from Harvard. But what did he do with it? He became a leader in community development, working in the basements of churches in the poor inner city. Is that a bad thing?
You said: He used hard drugs
My response: Yes, and he rejected that, strived to improve himself, and became a Christian believer … just as many born-again Christians have. Tell me how that’s a problem. And also, tell me if you thought W’s background in drugs and alcohol was a problem with respect to his candidacy in 2000 and 2004.
You said: He didn’t want his daughters punished with a baby. He is pro-abortion
My response: Obama is pro-choice, not pro-abortion. There’s a difference. I’m pro-choice, but I am certain not pro-abortion.
You said: His wife is not patriotic
My response: If this is really what you think, I’m really concerned that you may be listening to and believing what smear-artists of the status quo want you to believe. Or else, you are actually looking for reasons to dislike Obama and are avoiding application of reason to this so called “issue.”
You said: He didn’t wear a flag lapel pin until he was forced to.
My response: Again, you’re really reaching here. I love the USA. I pray both alone and in fellowship, thanking God for our country and our freedoms. I pay my taxes. I take my hat off and sing the National Anthem at baseball and football games. But I don’t wear a flag lapel pin. In fact, I don’t even have one. Is that bad?
August 29th, 2008 at 10:20 am PDT
To all of you wage earners that vote Democrat, stop it! Vote for those who take money out of government pockets to enrichen themselves, whether it be through overpriced services to Iraq, well heeled overseas trips and splendid Scottish golfing, or just an elegant meal at the taxpayer’s expense. Vote for them because it takes a lot of hard work to figure out how to bilk the government-Ted Stevens should be rewarded, not punished for his creativity. Welcome to the Republican “I Can Get Rich Too” Land of Opportunity, subsidized hopefully in the future by you Democrats who up to now haven’t figured out which people in this world you should really be supporting (for your own sake).
August 29th, 2008 at 10:21 am PDT
by the way … I don’t support Mc Cain, I want Hillary !!
August 29th, 2008 at 10:21 am PDT
One question for all of the free thinkers out there… Why is that the brainwashed close minded people who only speak in rhetoric always accuse everyone else fo doing what they are guilty of?
August 29th, 2008 at 10:22 am PDT
After reading the posts from Republicans who say “The Grand Old Party knows how to win elections, by Golly, I think we’re gonna pull it off again.”, I wonder what why they would want to win again? Those posts were proud of the negative tactics using fear, divisiveness, and misinformation. Do you seriously think that the state our nation is in now after 8 years of Republican administration is something good?? Is an economy in tatters, our military stuck in a nasty war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 911… other countries around the world loathing our policies, and a point-the-finger at anyone different than a ‘good ‘ol boy’ type of mentality something to be happy about??
Are you so full of misguided hubris that you can’t admit that you have dragged this nation down to it’s lowest morale level since right after Vietnam? Obama made a perfect point when he said that the people serving in Iraq and Afghanistan that have lived, bled, and died together over there in hellish conditions, for our nation, are not ‘Red’ or ‘Blue’.. they’re Americans, as are we all. Your party has divided this nation by questioning people’s patriotism if they disagreed with anything this inept, secretive, and power-hungry administration has decreed. You’ve brought our internatinal standing to its lowest level ever. You’ve put us so far into national debt that no one knows when we will ever get out of it.
After I watched Obabma’s speech last night I was struck that finally within my own life-time, as a 38 year old man, I will see a real hero… a leader who compares to leaders such as both Kennedys, Roosevelt, Lincoln, and the many founding fathers who were visionaries and intellectuals. Republicans seem to think that to have a vision of a shining future, and to have an intellect is something bad. You’d rather have a grinning idiot as a president who uses religion and patriotism as a wedge to divide us all.
It’s far past time to have a leader that will unite us all, while respecting our differences instead of castigating them, and who will lead us out of this dark time in our nation’s history that your party has dragged us down into.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:22 am PDT
I guess all those that criticize Obama, for inexperience, will have a field day, with McCain choosing Sarah Palin, for his VP. 2 years ago, she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska… population under 6,000. Is she ready to be President??
She’s also under investigation for abuse of power.
All-in-all, while I’ve thought for weeks he’d name Palin, and would love to see a woman President, this is a bad choice - - showing poor judgment.
McCain is 73 years old, more than most Pres candidates, he needed to be thinking about America, rather than getting Hillary’s disaffected voters… and choose someone who could take over as Pres. And that she’s under investigation… it’s more of the same GOP - - Abramoff, etc.
And the hypocrisy, after attacking Obama endlessly on lack of experience… she’s more *ready* than Obama?
Really poor judgment by McCain.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am PDT
Next January for the first time in 8 years we will finally have someone intelligent, with a high IQ, and who believes in Science in the oval office. Talk about Change!!!
McCain 08
August 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am PDT
I think his speech was the perfect speech for the circumstance. As for the comment, “I am surprised that Barrack praised his grandparents who knew what hard work was [but] did not push that theme, rather [it was] everything for everyone except the fat cats,” well this is exactly what American economic policy was in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s. His grandparents generation were the beneficiaries of a whole host of government programs (mostly directed towards white Americans) that helped to build the American middle class. The millions that went to college on the GI Bill, the government provided below market home loans, government support for unions, pension programs, Social Security, the minimum wage, advances in public school programs and advocacy of science, low taxes on the poor and middle class and high taxes on the rich, etc., etc. The “greatest generation” didn’t do it all “on heir own”, they did it with the help of the federal government through the New Deal policies of the Democrats that ARE what built the American middle class and made America strong. Those New Deal policies made government a helper, but individuals still had to take advantage of the help and do their part as well. Arguably during the 1970s things went overboard, through the 1980s the government became increasingly bloated and inefficient and geared towards helping the rich while piling up debt under Reagaomincs, during the 1990s the benefits of government research brought us the Internet and genetics, along with a fair tax code and welfare to work policies that helped to bring further economic growth, and then over the past 8 years we’ve had a return to borrow and spend Republicanism, policies that help the rich while gutting the middle class, and a lock of direction in helping to provide opportunity.
The American Myth is that Americans have ever, at some time, made it “on their own”. They have not. The early American settlers were beneficiaries of free government land grants and of course the free labor of slavery as well as government acquisition of Native American, Spanish, French, and Mexican land. Then we had the government backed railroads and of course the creation of the Federal Banking system that finally stabilized the American banking system. Its a myth that there was ever a time when the majority of American made it “on their own”, it never happened. The ones that did were few and far between, a few gold miners and oil men that got lucky.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am PDT
Aaron A. Lindahl, you are grossly exaggerating the state of our nation and our economy. I’m not saying it’s good. I’m just saying it’s within the normal oscillation.
You’re only 38. You’re too young still to see that the Obamas end up creating more change than the nutty Bushes.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:28 am PDT
How did I wander into this one? Does the author feel that the ends justifies the means? Because the name of this publication gives an impression that someone is revered; however, whatever that is, it surely isn’t truth and light.
Obama has been catapulted to the front lines by the people, for the people and if anyone can’t see that phenomenon, what in the heck are you doing in of all places, America? The time is right in every faction of our country. If we get four more years of the same, we are not going to survive as a planet, as a country or as a people, so I think it should be taken as a divinely guided sign from above, and taken seriously. Listen harder and look through your prejudices. Perhaps the messenger isn’t in the package you expect, but no one else has stepped up against the evil authority. Get a clue.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:29 am PDT
“Who cares that he is an inexperienced, ruthless, deceptive, arrogant, divisive, race card throwing, racist black liberation theology believing, flip-flopping, infanticide supporting fraud? ”
Based on what? Based on the people who constantly call Barack “Hussein” and compare to him to a terrorist? Is that the Race card throwing you are referring to? Or, Perhaps that is the deceitfulness? Are comparisons to Hitler the ruthlessness you mentioned? Calling his supporters dreamers and telling them they have “drank the Kool-Aid,” the arrogance you are talking about? Maybe he would be better served baiting the racist-white evangelicals like McCain, and Bush? Perhaps if he said he was against tax cuts then supported them, or against offshore drilling and then made drilling his only platform toward our current energy crisis, against torture then supported it, or complain about the evangelical movement then openly pursue their vote like john McCain, he would be less of a flip-flopper?
Maybe if he was on the wrong side of every issue of the past eight years, ESPECIALLY the war in Iraq, then Barack would have the experience necessary to be President?
Or, maybe it isn’t the Obama supporters who fail to their candidates’ deficiencies?
August 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am PDT
Shannon, just about every president we’ve had, Republican, Democrat, Federalist, Whig, or whatever, has been catapulted into office by the people. We are a very naive people, ignorant of history. Each Next Big Thing to come along we actually think is unique.
Read an American history book.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am PDT
… I did notice my mis-spellings, by the way..
Typed it quickly out of passion, but regardless, those are my deep feelings about the matter.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:34 am PDT
In response to an earlier posting, I can guarantee you that if Barack Obama grew out his hair in a natural, he’d be lucky to have 30% support… even amongst Democrats.
The fact is, you people are mostly all closet hypocrites.
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August 29th, 2008 at 10:40 am PDT
If Barack Obama invades the sovereign country of Pakistan without Pakistan’s permission, he will have earned the badge of “Terrorist”. He will be no better than George Bush. He will be even worse because he has announced in public well before the fact and millions of Americans seem to be supporting this invasion threat.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:46 am PDT
American Idol is a highly rated show, so with that in mind I still worry that the inmates might still run the asylum. Obama is the real deal, best choice for President. McCain at least is fiscally conservative (something GW wasn’t). Thankfully I have faith in the true powers that be. Get out and vote.
PS please take those damm “Bush 2004″ bumper stickers off.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:47 am PDT
To all you HATERS out there get over it! I’m tired of people saying he’s this and he’s that yall just mad because he’s a black man and yall will no longer have power over us anymore! So suck it up and CHUNK up the deuce for OBAMA YALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!
August 29th, 2008 at 10:48 am PDT
“Now is the time”
“Now is the time”
“Now is the time”
“Now is the time”
“Now is the time”
Is fair use. Invoking MLK is fair use. Without him would Mr. Obama be where he is today? To not mention MLK on the anniversary of his famous speech would be a slant. It is humbling of him to recognize the work of leaders past. And to do so without ever saying his name is proof of the power of his work.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:49 am PDT
Mrs. Clinton once said that Mr. McCain had real experience while Mr. Obama’s candidacy had been the sum of so many speeches. That is exactly why I supported Hillary Clinton, and why I will be voting for John McCain. I care not that Hillary is a liberal and McCain is a conservative. All i care about is experience. Barack Obama is as bad as Lincoln in the amount of experience he would have becoming president, and could easily get us in a war just as bloody as what Lincoln got us into.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:49 am PDT
Reagan is the on who had it tatooed on his neck. It was for the 6 letters in his first name, the 6 letters in his middle name and the 6 letters in his last.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:51 am PDT
Jeremiah, I think we pretty much all agree that Obama should have at least given credit to MLK for lifting MLK’s words for his own speech…….
August 29th, 2008 at 10:54 am PDT
August 29th, 2008 at 10:54 am PDT
To me it’s a little disturbing that we have a republican for obama on this board who seems to know too much about the 666 issue. it would appear that he’s switched to obama because of this very issue (that is, assuming that he speaks the truth about Reagan having the 666 connection)
August 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am PDT
It looks like my comment was too long to post at one time. Let me try it in two parts and see if I do any better.
Barry Contrell explains the right-wing response to Obama’s speech better than anyone else on this list. Nothing really matters to the right but maintaining their grip on power, even if their policies are bankrupt and their leaders have failed. Is slander appropriate? Do you call your opponent Hitler or the Anti-Christ? Sure, if you think it will help you win. Do you growl like a dog and screech that half of America is Communist, that hippies and anti-Americans are threatening to take over? Sure, if you think it will rally your base. Do the interests of the country as a whole matter? No, only maintaining a choke-hold on power matters. It’s all just a big football game, and we want our team to win, win, win! When we see a Robert Mugabe or a military regime in Burma drive their countries into the ground yet do whatever they can think of to keep their hands on the steering wheel of state, we don’t hesitate to call them evil, but when supposedly religious people try the same trick in America, we are supposed to imagine that they are acting from an elevated sense of morality.
It’s time to recognize that God is palpably not on the side of right-wing Evangelical leaders whose “morality” is limited in scope to what grows between their legs. Did “Jesus” tell George W. Bush to invade and occupy Iraq? Maybe Bush really did discuss the invasion with a supernatural entity prior to dragging the country into a multi-trillion dollar debacle, but it sure wasn’t Jesus. If God wanted us to win in Iraq, we would have won in 2003, because an all-powerful Lord of Hosts doesn’t lose wars or even just tread water. Does “Jesus” approve of torture? Again, the supernatural entity that endorses such things is certainly not Jesus. When Evangelical leaders pray for rain at Mile High Stadium, do they get it? No. When they pray for hurricanes to destroy Orlando because Walt Disney lets gay animators insure their partners, does Orlando get inundated? No. When they prophesy tsunamis on the East Coast, do the tsunamis ever come? No. When they predict The End Of The World and their Rapture every few years since 1848, does the world ever end, and do they ever Rapture? No. When Hal Lindsey predicts what will happen in the End Times, do any of his predictions come true? No. While they wait for the imminent arrival of an Anti-Christ that is nowhere mentioned in the Bible, not even in the Revelation that they have tried to turn into a Book of Prophesy even though they don’t understand any of what John was saying, they haven’t even noticed that Adolf Hitler fit their definition better than anyone who has ever lived. If Hitler wasn’t your Anti-Christ, who do you think you are waiting for?
August 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am PDT
August 29th, 2008 at 10:59 am PDT
August 29th, 2008 at 10:59 am PDT
Linda said
“Barack Obama is as bad as Lincoln in the amount of experience he would have becoming president, and could easily get us in a war just as bloody as what Lincoln got us into.”
Bad as Lincoln? One of the highest ranked presidents in this country’s history. Did your family lose the plantation back then?
You sound like a woman scorned. A little less estrogen and a little more thought might help you get over the fact that Hillary didnt win. I was for Obama from the start. However unlike you I care more about the country than to throw it down the tubes because my candidate didnt win the nomination. YOU are exactly what is wrong with politics in this country. If Hillary would have won I would have voted for her. Your vote for McCain after touting you wanted Hillary shows your ingnorance and child like stomping of feet.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:59 am PDT
I agree with Barry Contrell that ultimately, all elections are about who can grab power. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Obama or McCain. Power is the objective.
My second comment: God must have wanted George Bush as president since he allowed Mr Bush to steal the election in 2000 and he won by one state in 2004. Only God could manage such a feat, not even Republicans could really achieve such impressive results on their own.
I want to thank the Christian Science Monitor for allowing Biblical discussions and prophesy related to the 2008 election on this forum.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am PDT
Arty, Obama is running for the position of US Chief Executive. Executives in any industry don’t often interview for the their jobs with their hair grown long. In fact, nobody would vote for McCain if he “grew out his hair in a natural”. In the real world your appearance is an indication of how you manage yourself, and is thus a reflection of how you might manage your business. Please get off your high horse - or at least acknowledge that “closet hypocrite” is nonsensical. We’re only hypocrites where others can’t see us? Simply because we factor in things such as personal grooming during our candidate selections? Whatever.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:08 am PDT
C.E.P:
George W. Bush once had the highest approval rating of any president in modern times. Richard Nixon won by the largest landslide in American history. You don’t seem like fans of either of those presidents, despite their high popularity.
Let’s also NOT use any popularity ratings for Abraham Lincoln to justify the civil war. It cost more American lives than any in our history and was, by far, the bloodiest. We welcome it when Kosovo, Georgia, and blah blah blah-istan become independent spinoff states. Lincoln could have allowed the peaceful resolution proposed by the southern states to occur instead of being beligerant like other republicans and getting us into another nasty war.
Barack Obama may well get us into the worst war we’ve ever had - armed confrontation with Pakistan, a known nuclear power. That will make Iraq look like child’s play… and we still may not find the man in the cave who continues to elude the most powerful nation on earth after 7 years.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am PDT
As a moderate that has voted for Repulicans and Democrats I have to laugh at my right wing friends now touting John McCain (and perhaps Sarah Palin) as their banner bearers.
McCain remember was courted as Demo. VP candidate in the last election. Despite JM’s pandering to the neo-cons NOW, in his hgeart of hearts he knows greed and avarice when he sees it and he’s seen lots of it in the last eight years.
As a moderate either way, Obama or McCain, I win and the neo-con ultra right Republican era is TOAST!
August 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am PDT
I’m ecstatic that McCain has picked a woman as VP. This is as risky as Mondale picking Ferraro (who was a relative unknown), but you can be sure that Geraldine Ferraro will now be voting for McCain… as will Hillary Clinton… as will a giant percentage of American women.
John McCain knows very well a statistic that has somehow escaped Obama: African-Americans make up only about 15% of the American population, whereas women make up a tad over 50!.
John McCain, you’re on a roll and played your cards very very well! As a former Hillary supporter, I’m now firmly in your camp. Already Obama’s speech of last night is being forgotten.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am PDT
Jeremiah, I think the point was that even most of us liberals would have a hard time voting for someone for president who looked like Al Sharpton, even if they spoke and thought like Barack Obama.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am PDT
Jeremiah!
Are you saying that Abraham Lincoln’s long and unruly hair was unprofessional and unbecoming of a person running for the office of POTUS?
August 29th, 2008 at 11:25 am PDT
bullfeathers said
“George W. Bush once had the highest approval rating of any president in modern times. Richard Nixon won by the largest landslide in American history. You don’t seem like fans of either of those presidents, despite their high popularity.”
Bushs rating is based on his last 8 years. Lincolns is based on many years of people looking at the history. Big difference.
bullfeathers said
Lincoln could have allowed the peaceful resolution proposed by the southern states to occur instead of being beligerant like other republicans and getting us into another nasty war.
That of course cant be proven and could be debated forever
Kathy said
“As a former Hillary supporter, I’m now firmly in your camp. Already Obama’s speech of last night is being forgotten.”
So your voting for the gender of a president and not policies? Another wonderful American. I’d bet your wrong about Hillary and how she will vote. She has more intelligence than to give the country up to the republicans because she didnt win. Too bad you cant do the same.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am PDT
Any woman like Sarah Palin who can bear 5 white children in this day and age to populate our country deserves our vote. But you have to get the old wrinkly guy with her!
Vote McCain/Palin
August 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am PDT
C.E.F., you must be retired with way too much time on your hands. You’re taking this forum far too seriously! Don’t you know that typing away on the internet is an excuse to not do anything useful on behalf of our candidates or our nation?
August 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am PDT
I watched Obama’s speech twice last night because we had someone arrive at our house after the speech had ended. Barack was clear and pointed. He brought up issues ranging from education to social security (symbolically American citizen’s birth to death.) Obama offered a clear and concise critique of John McCain’s policies. Obama offered solutions and, yes, hope.
Better yet, his speech was inspiring.
Many posts on this site completely veer away from the topic at hand. What did you think of Barack Obama’s speech? If you are intellectually honest, be gentle because McCain must speak next week. Will he inspire hope? Maybe. Will John offer a clear and concise critique of Barack Obama’s policies? Maybe. What will John McCain say and how many people will be there? We don’t know and therefore we’ll have to wait, but this isn’t a ******* contest to see who can whiz the farthest. This process influences the future of our country. I don’t know about you, but hope in the future is not something I consider a bad thing.
One piece of Barack Obama’s speech I liked the most was his lack of personal attack as campaign strategy. He’s been very careful to remain above the mud-slinging (and yes I’m aware he’s responded to some negative campaigning with negative campaigning.) On this regard, his speech last night was successful. The ability to violently scream the other party down in public as essentially being ‘pinko Commies’ led to Nazis gaining control in Germany. The electorate didn’t respond soon enough and the rest is history. At times, we don’t seem far away from facism in this country. Today, I’d have to point to the Republican party as resembling the NSDAP more than the Democrats though.
Divisiveness does not build levees in New Orleans. Name calling does not garner a better education for our children. Calculated character assassination does not create jobs. I believe Obama is right, with regard to political strategies on the national stage (and with each other,) when he suggests political strategies are in need of revision. We need to talk with one another rather than yell at one another.
Can you argue with him on trying to reduce unwanted pregnacies? What is your argument against a gay guy visiting his dying gay boyfriend in the hospital? Where is his logic flawed in the specific areas where he suggests we need compromise?
Stop calling each other names and start thinking. Are you an American citizen? What does being a citizen mean to you? Does being a citizen simply mean you shouldn’t have to give some of your money to someone who may be undeserving of that ‘handout?’ I’d hope being an American citizen means more than that.
Last night, I had a hard time trying to decide if it was just a good speech or a great speech. This morning, I’ve firmly decided it was great for only some of the reasons I’ve listed here. Hopefully John McCain will be able to inspire the same feelings of hope in his party; however, many Republicans (like Rush Limbaugh to name just one) didn’t want McCain as the nominee to begin with so that seems unlikely.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am PDT
TO C.E.P :
Honestly. Are you a politician? If not, have you ever considered running for an elective office? I’m inquiring because only politicians would quote the less important words of another poster, and ‘conveniently forget’ about the bottom line conclusion - which I’m repeating below:
“Barack Obama may well get us into the worst war we’ve ever had - armed confrontation with Pakistan, a known nuclear power. That will make Iraq look like child’s play… and we still may not find the man in the cave who continues to elude the most powerful nation on earth after 7 years.”
August 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am PDT
“C.E.F., you must be retired with way too much time on your hands. You’re taking this forum far too seriously! Don’t you know that typing away on the internet is an excuse to not do anything useful on behalf of our candidates or our nation?”
C.E.P. not C.E.F.
You have absolutely no idea of who I am or what I do or dont do. Retired you ask. Holiday weekend and vacation I might reply.
Politically what I do or dont do, again you have no way of knowing. My candidate is supported by me in many ways, as is the election process. Speaking out in a group is another way.
I’ll assume your asking means you are not a moderator here?
August 29th, 2008 at 11:41 am PDT
Wyll, you’ve bought into the Obama aura.
Consider this nonsense that McCain has voted 90% of the time with Bush. My first confusion is what legislation has George Bush introduced in Congress that McCain could ‘vote with Bush’ on? It was well known until this campaign that Bush and McCain detested each other - that McCain was sought briefly as Kerry’s running mate in 2004. McCain did have the reputation as a maverick because he was often uncooperative with other Republicans on legislation the didn’t agree with.
Yet, all that has conveniently been swept under the carpet because it destroys the notion that is so important right now for Obama to plant into the minds of Americans - that McCain is another 4 years of Bush. Barack Obama CAN NOT WIN unless he convinces the American voters of that. So whatever the facts may be to the contrary, THAT is the notion that Obama pushed last night, and must continue to push.
So don’t even begin to try and convince thinking people that Barack Obama isn’t playing politics as much as the next politican, whether Republican or Democrat. The most remarkable thing of all in our great country is that the vast majority of our citizens can be coerced and propagandized into becoming partisan. Not only that, they actually believe that political promises will come to be, even though they hardly ever have.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:46 am PDT
To a ‘Wise Old Man’.
You stated that I’m too young to know about these things. Yes, I am ‘only’ 38, but I do not grossly exaggerate the state of our nation. I lived overseas half of my life, not as a military person, but because I wanted to know how other cultures live first-hand. I have personally experienced the world-wide disgust over the Bush administration’s policies. I didn’t compare this recession to the Great Depression so I don’t feel I’m grossly exaggerating that either. As to the change Obama would bring… I welcome that with fervor, hope, and open arms. It’s far past time for that change you’re so afraid of. You might be too old to see that.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am PDT
“quote the less important words of another poster, and ‘conveniently forget’ about the bottom line conclusion -”
That conclusion is so flawed in comparison that I didnt deem it worthy of a answer. But you insisted so.
“Barack Obama may well get us into the worst war we’ve ever had - armed confrontation with Pakistan, a known nuclear power. That will make Iraq look like child’s play… and we still may not find the man in the cave who continues to elude the most powerful nation on earth after 7 years.”
McCain is the hot head that would lead us down that path. Republicans first wanted to say Obama was weak, now they want to claim he is reckless. McCain voted as Bush did at the least 90% of the time,(check the facts Derrick, McCain doesnt deny it, he avoids it) I think that shows were his heart is. I think your conclusion is a scare tactic and far from the reality of the situation. Since your asking me my opinion. I’d like your opinion on this. I have asked before but no one here has the moxie to touch it. Perhaps you will?
“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.” (Worth Fighting For, by John McCain).
What has changed? He’s older and this may really be his last chance?
August 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am PDT
Dangedif John McCain didn’t show his maverick streak today and shows that he’s not part of the Washington establishment!
“Sarah Palin, the first-term governor of Alaska, has no experience in Washington and is unknown in national politics. She will be the least experienced candidate for national office nominated by a major party since Richard Nixon picked the first-term Maryland governor, Spiro Agnew, as his running mate in 1968.” -USA Today
With McCain hovering around age 72. the chances are excellent that we’ll have our first woman president before the next 8 years have elapsed and she’ll be experienced by then.
The action revolution the Democrats could have achieved and wouldn’t (first woman president) has been picked up spectacularly by the Republican party and delivered in the form of what would not only be the first woman VP of the USA but also soon enough, the first woman president.
This lady’s smart, friends. Really, really smart.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am PDT
TO C.E.P.:
Maybe I was mistaken. Maybe I didn’t hear last night Barack Obama talking about (for the second time that I know of) going into Pakistan to get Osama bin Laden since Bush didn’t do it. Are you saying that it was actually HJohn McCain who said this last night? Or are you saying that Obama didn’t actually mean it when he said it last night - that it was just politics to win votes?
I’m confused.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm PDT
“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.” (Worth Fighting For, by John McCain).
AS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER I CAN PROUDLY SAY THAT MY CANDIDATE HAS HANDILY TROUNCED MCCAIN. BARACK OBAMA WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT SINCE HE WAS 4 OR 5 YEARS OLD. BARACK IS FAR MORE DEDICATED TO BECOMING PRESIDENT THAT THE OLD GEEZER JOHN MCCAIN EVER WAS.
CASE CLOSED. BARACK WINS ON THIS ONE.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm PDT
To Derrick:
I acknowledge that you have taken one thing Obama said last night and critiqued it (i.e. 90% voting record.) However, after that you haven’t really addressed anything else in my post even though your comment appears to be directed at me. I commented on Obama not using personal attack politics, I never said Obama wasn’t playing politics.
Running for president is politics.
On another note, I have to ask: if political promises will never come to be why do we bother to vote at all? We might as well have a monarchy or military junta then. I’m familiar with the electoral process, campaigning and jaded-citizen-dissatisfaction (I’m there- trust me on that;) but your charges must be leveled at both Republicans and Democrats then. It isn’t as if one party has been clearly demonstrated to be more likely to fulfill their campaign promises than the other.
At this point in the process, you pretty much have to take them at their words unless you have some other compelling reason to doubt them. As for me having bought into the “Obama aura,” he is inspiring people. I don’t hear many people leveling that charge at McCain. I personally want people to be inspired. I’d like to see people do something more than they are today.
What about you?
Regarding McCain’s maverick credentials, I think he lost those about the time he started courting the religious right. If you’ll remember back to 2004, McCain openly rejected the support of the religious right and that was one of several policy choices that made him a maverick. McCain’s a different candidate this time and trying to maintain the maverick image is the propaganda being espoused by his party.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm PDT
bullfeathers said without replying to McCain’s stated purpose for wanting to be President.
“I’m confused.”
Thats obvious, your backing McCain!
And with that I will make your day and go do something to further my political ambitions. Can I count on your vote?
August 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm PDT
Wyll, you summarized it in a nutshell:
“On another note, I have to ask: if political promises will never come to be why do we bother to vote at all? ”
As you probably know, the majority of eligible American voters no longer vote for President. Fewer still vote for lower offices. For local offices, the turnout rate is often as low as 10-15%. The reason? You gave it to us. All politicians, of all parties, end up promising the moon or whatever they have to, to get their hands on the power throttle. The majority of Americans have seen that, they see that you can’t believe a thing any politician says, no matter if Dem or Repub, and they’ve opted out of the system.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm PDT
I believe C.E.P has just shown all of us that democrats, once backed into a corner, will opt out…….. and I can’t say that’s a bad strategy when you don’t have an answer!!!!!
Cheerio
August 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm PDT
CHUCKLES:
Actually I knew that C.E.P. had no argument to my remark about Pakistan when he conveniently ignored it the first time around.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:13 pm PDT
C.E.P, I think the fellow KURT answered nicely your remark about McCain wanting to be president:
“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.” (Worth Fighting For, by John McCain).
AS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER I CAN PROUDLY SAY THAT MY CANDIDATE HAS HANDILY TROUNCED MCCAIN. BARACK OBAMA WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT SINCE HE WAS 4 OR 5 YEARS OLD. BARACK IS FAR MORE DEDICATED TO BECOMING PRESIDENT THAT THE OLD GEEZER JOHN MCCAIN EVER WAS.
CASE CLOSED. BARACK WINS ON THIS ONE.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm PDT
To Carson Drew:
Agreed.
In his book “Do I Stand Alone,” Jesse Ventura makes a strong argument for needing a viable third party in this country. His premise rests on that majority of Americans who are not represented in the current system and choose not to vote (I believe it is a choice even if only a passive one.)
I think he may be onto something.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:19 pm PDT
Wyll, You think the problem can be solved by creating a new political party within the same rotten system. I would disagree. Even if Barack wins, usually in our system the nice guy finishes last and most nice guys (and gals) refuse to enter the cesspool that our American political system has become.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:27 pm PDT
To Carson Drew:
I agree that it is a discouraging system. I think the worst thing that could happen this election is that Barack Obama gets into office and we all find out he is bought and paid for by moneyed-interests (a concern shared by some of our founding father, although obviously not a concern founding fathers had about Barack Obama specifically.)
I personally would like to see more democracy. I personally think we should start lottery-ing our national offices based on a stratified, random selection process. The faces hiding behind corporations hiding behind other corporations are what worry me. However, I realize my lottery idea is too radical for many Americans and I believe it is because we don’t trust one another. That’s just kind of sad though and it doesn’t have to be that way.
Outside of that, violent revolution would be the only other option; however, no revolution, that I’m aware of, has solved any problems. Revolution generally only brings back the same problems with different faces.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pm PDT
WOW!!!!!!
I guessed above that John McCain was going to pick Lieberman as his running mate… and, boy, was I WRONG!!! HAHAHAHAHA John McCain has chosen an inexperience FOX to be his VP pick!!! I mean…. She is so attractive that the media, at this point, seem almost afraid to even mention her super model, knock-out look! … as if they aren’t noticing it!
…LOL…. This has MONICA LEWINSKY written all over it!!!!!
And…. if you DON’T BELIEVE ME!!!! THERE IS ALREADY EVIDENCE….
John McCain literally LOOKS DIRECTLY DOWN taking repeated PEAK AFTER PEAK of her rear as Palin introduces herself!!!
If you don’t believe me you can see this for yourself as the beautiful, innocent mother of five — Sarah Palin — is playing all over the networks right now!!!
August 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pm PDT
Obama - US Senator for 143 days
Palin - Governor for 2 years (executive experience)
Who is more experienced?
HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS FOR SARAH PALIN 08
August 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pm PDT
TO THE IDIOT BARRY CONTRELL U ARE A RACIST! THAT’S XACTLY WHY OBAMA WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT MARK MY WORD! YOU AND THE REST OF YOUR KIND GET READY TO CRY YOUR OWN DAMN TEARS! YOU THINK YOU OWN EVRYTHING BUT IT’S BOUT TO CHANGE BELIEVE THAT!!!! SO IN CLOSING MAY THE BEST MAN WIN AND WE ALREADY KNOW WHO THAT IS!!!!!
August 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pm PDT
Maybe I should repeat this !!!!!!!
JOHN MCCAIN TAKE REPEATED GLANCES AT SARAH PALIN’S REAR AS SHE GIVES HER SPEECH !!!!!!
HAS ANY ONE ELSE NOTICED THIS?
August 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm PDT
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August 29th, 2008 at 1:53 pm PDT
You know Democrats are getting scared when they make the kind of moronic statements of John and some other on this blog.
Obama - US Senator for 143 days
Palin - Governor for 2 years (executive experience)
Who is more experienced?
HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS FOR SARAH PALIN 08
August 29th, 2008 at 2:02 pm PDT
NOW IS IT ME OR IS MCCAIN TO DAMN OLD TO BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT? THE ONLY REASON HE CHOSE THAT WOMAN IS TO TRY AND GET MORE VOTES BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN!!! NOT GON WORK THE ELECTION IS ALREADY WON BABY! WHAT SHE NEED TO BE DOING IS FOCUSING ON HER ILL CHILD! THERE IS NO WAY SHE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN HER CHILDS NEEDS AND BE VP??!!! HATS OFF TO HER AND HER DETERMINATION BUT ITS A STRADEGY AND IT SEEMS NOT TO BE WORKING ATLEAST FOR ME ANYWAY! I JUST FEEL THAT SHE NEEDS TO FOCUS ON HER BABY THAN TO WORRY ABOUT THE MESS THAT IS GOING ON IN WASHINGTON!!!
August 29th, 2008 at 2:12 pm PDT
Tye, it is you. And by the way, Mr. Sexist, why doesn’t Obama have to stay home with his children? What’s the difference?
August 29th, 2008 at 2:41 pm PDT
Hey Fred,
Why are my statements moronic? What I find most impressive is that the general response to McCain’s VP pick is ignoring the fact that McCain may have chosen Palin simply because she is pretty.
What other motive could there be to choose an inexperienced, beautiful mother of FIVE children (one a newborn with Down Syndrome) to serve the country in such telling times?
If he were to purchase a souped-up sports convertible to drive around at age 72, would you not see the link?
And, by the way, have you noticed John McCain eyeing the rear of Sarah Palin from behind as she speaks in her introductory speech?
August 29th, 2008 at 2:47 pm PDT
John,
It would seem that he could pick any woman and he chose a pretty one. However, her views seem to be significant as well. Pro-life helps with the religious right. Pro-military fuels the next imperial conquest.
I agree with you about the inexperience factor though. What’s the average life span of men in America? I’m thinking it’s not much more than 76 years old. Sarah Palin’s chances of becoming president, if John McCain is elected, are pretty good.
She’s a risk.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:49 pm PDT
As a strong Hillary Clinton supporter, I feel terribly for her right now. She is forced by party protocol to endorse a man she knows is the worst Presidential candidate in modern history, while she has to watch the Republicans nominate a woman as VP. Still, Obama must be stopped, and I am very pleased with McCain’s choice for Vice President.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm PDT
Fred,
(No disrepect intended) why does Obama need to be stopped? What is it that he’s doing that McCain is not?
August 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pm PDT
Wyll D,
I believe it’s been said that TODAY is John McCain’s birthday and absolutely NO one is talking about it. Sarah Palin is a very pretty lady — which is obvious. But I want to give her this credit! And any sane thinking man knows full well that a mother of five should be just that…. a full-time mother. Our country is further embarrassing itself for putting on this disgusting act in suggesting that this woman is even remotely qualified to aid in fixing the damage that has been done to America. Youtube videos already show her recent remarks that SHE doesn’t even know exactly what the Vice President’s job is!
Reread the last sentence if you MISSED it! My heart is to her as a mother to her children but… as VP… You can forget it.
And to Fred Jones,
I too was a strong supporter of Hillary way before it became obvious that Barack Obama had a chance. The problem with Hillary is that her actions (including her actions behind the scenes) created a hotbed that was sure to damage not just Obama but the entire Democratic Party in general. This was incredibly foolish on Hillary’s part and we all wish she would have had the common sense not to.
She gave Obama NO choice but to pick someone other than her — which is something I dearly wished she had NOT done. But this was something that SHE had done.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:26 pm PDT
John,
I think for the most part I was agreeing with you.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:54 pm PDT
This is all about geography guys. I admit Obama is a better choice at this point than McCain. But the geography says that he is not as strong a candidate as everyone wants to believe, particularly not with Biden.
Most of the “toss up” states in this election are not even close if past history is a guide. I really don’t see NC, VA, OH, FL, NH or NV as serious risks for Republicans, particularly the southern group. As for New Hampshire, the only time it went democrat in the last 30 years was for a CLINTON. Otherwise it is consistently republican, as is Nevada.
Further, most analysts estimate that the racial bias in polls has resulted in actual votes for an African-American candidate being significantly below polled estimates. This would convert Obama’s current lead to a real deficit at the polls. If you factor in the past history of racism in American elections (look up the Bradley effect), and the recent Democratic primary exit polls, which overstated Obama’s actual share of the final vote in twenty-eight states, you understand why the Pew foundation research center said “[It] did see potential for error based on the people who decline to participate in polls, who…[are]…largely lower-income whites more likely than the population at large to have racially intolerant views.”
This analysis leaves us with just three real “battlegrounds”-states that have flip-flopped over several elections: New Mexico, Colorado and Iowa. Right now it looks like Obama in new Mexico and Iowa, and past history makes it likely McCain will take Colorado. Given my belief that ALL of the South will go McCain and that the polls are UNDERESTIMATING the true factor of racism when people actually VOTE, McCain will carry all of the Bush 200 states, and will win 278 to 260 in the Electoral College. The only way Obama is ahead right now is if you bury your head in the sand and ingore the fact that too many white Americans from the lower income groups (who Obama has not been carrying) will vote for the white guy-not the black guy. Unfortunately, the democrats have ignored this by packing the convention with upper class delegates who are better educated and wealthier than the average democrat.
The fact that is the former confederacy has been controlling the White House since roughly 1976. If Hillary were running, then with Al Gore and Bill Clinton she would have a shot at Arkansas and Tennessee, and she was bound to take New Mexico. That would have broken the Republican stranglehold in the south and would have won. Geographically she was a more viable candidate. Why do you think die hard conservatives like Limbaugh send republicans to vote in open primaries?
Where the South goes, so goes the nation. No democrat from the north has carried the election since JFK. LBJ was from Texas, Carter was from Georgia and Clinton was from Arkansas. The democrats have ignored history, and are now doomed, once again, to repeat it. If the democrats want to win, they CANNOT do it with two candidates from the north and/or northeast and they cannot do it by continuing to sacrifice the South. You must have ONE southern state with more than 10 electoral votes, at a minimum, for a democrat to win. Consider: If Al Gore had actually campaigned in and won his home state of Tennessee, he would have won the election-WITHOUT Florida.
I’m a pessimist in this election, I’ve seen to many democrats run the same “battleground” state game and get beaten up. Without one or two southern states they have no hope-and they cannot get them with a black candidate from Illinois. It is unfair, sad, and true, that too many people in this country will not vote for a black man-and those people are underrepresented in current polls.
I truly hope I’m wrong, but past history has forced me to anticipate another disappointment.
August 29th, 2008 at 6:03 pm PDT
David,l’m afraid you haven’t been watching the state polls very closely. They mirror what happened in 2004 except that Obama is consistently ahead in some of those border states this time. See electoral-vote.com for the whole kit and kaboodle of state polls.
August 29th, 2008 at 6:22 pm PDT
Obama is not totally devoid of experience. Here’s something I believe Obama knows a lot about; his so-called religion, black liberation theology, as defined by its founder, James H. Cone:
(1) “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
(2) “To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people.”
(3) “While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism.”
(4) “All white men are responsible for white oppression.”
(5) “Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man “the devil.”
(6) “If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it.”
August 29th, 2008 at 7:09 pm PDT
What a tragedy this election cycle is. For almost eight years, I’ve been planning a celebration for when George Bush leaves office. I had thought that the Democrats would nominate an acceptable candidate, and we could go about the business of repairing this country. Then, Obama came out of nowhere. At first, before I knew much about him, I had a favorable opinion of him. However, after much research, I found him to be the most deceptive, ruthless and divisive candidate in my lifetime. That is why I will be casting my first ever vote for a Republican for President.
August 29th, 2008 at 7:18 pm PDT
Umm-Hark, you didn’t actually READ what I said-did you. Yes-I have reviewed them ALL-on multiple sites and on sites using statistical analysis tools to reach their conclusions.
You have to factor in the identified racial bias in those polls-known as the Bradley factor. This pattern has repeatedly shown up in elections involving African-American candidates since LA Mayor Bradley lost in an election the polls showed him easily winning. The factor for this could be as high as five to seven percent, particularly in the border states. So a statistical “tie” in a border state is, in all likelihood, going to convert to an actual LOSS for Obama in the voting booth.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:25 am PDT
The system practiced in this forum, where articles are posted and removed by “Admin” while leaving some follow-ups, and where it seems there are no posted guidelines, and where it seems the decision to remove is made by readers voting down articles they don’t like, is in my view very unsound. I’m a moderator of one the largest big-8 Usenet newsgroups (clc++m), so it’s a given that I’m not against moderation in principle. It’s the implementation I’m talking about.
Freedom of speech is meaningless if it only means the freedom say what most everyone is glad to hear, what no more than three people object to.
Perhaps CSM should consider some other model than removing articles (automatically?) based on unpopularity. Perhaps, at least, differentiate between general popularity scoring and flagging an article as e.g. ad hominem or off-topic. I suspect that ad hominem attacks, racism and the like are so scarce that it would not be unreasonable to require users who flag an article as such to provide an explanation, and to involve a human in the decision to remove or not.
Cheers & hth.,
- Alf
August 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am PDT
Remember that Democrats voted alongside Republicans to invade Iraq, enact the “Patriot” Act and establish the Department of Homeland (i.e. Fatherland) Security. While a minority of individual politicians may support civil liberties here at home, the two major political parties clearly do not.
Free speech is a beautiful thing yet I see a lot of requests to flag posts as inappropriate. If we censor ourselves, are we not doing Big Brother’s job for him?
August 31st, 2008 at 8:30 pm PDT
Has anyone noticed that all the pro McCain posts have been deleted?
I’m sure this one will be deleted too because it doesn’t scream “Obama is the second coming.”
I just wonder how long it will take for some nefarious democrat to get it deleted.
But that is part of the democratic platform. Silence the conservative voice at all costs.
Obama will charm the d-gens, who’s heroes are Britney and Paris, and get elected to the white house (The 5% that will separate Obama and McCain won’t be the educated of this country).
Next we’ll get the fairness doctrine forced down our throats and the population will be indoctrinated with the socialist movement of this country and there isn’t much we can do about it.
As the comments on this article point out, the democrats cannot allow the conservative voice to be heard because it may strike a chord with some of the population that isn’t dazzled by a rock star.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:53 am PDT
Mustang,
You’ve been so poisoned by the Deputy Spokesman For the Department of Usury (or DSUD) to the point that you are effectively a zombie!
Your plagued mind has thought up Britney Spears which is laughable as well since she is not at all alone in company supporting the likes of Bush and McCain.
The same America that believes Parasite Hilton is newsworthy is the same America that elected George Bush twice…. is the same America that watched passively (…some excitedly) as their new, cool high-tech bombs killed hundreds of thousands of people. ….is the same America whose majority population can’t even locate their own isolated country on an unmarked map… etc. etc. etc…. Do I need to go on?
Lastly mustang, I would doubt that you are even capable of understanding or explaining, even to youself, precisely what a ‘conservative voice’ is! To whom does this voice speak other than to a legion of imbeciles? …to people gullible enough to believe that the Earth is flat or that the wolf in sheep’s skin is, in fact, a sheep?
Next, I look forward to hearing the silenced conservative voice speak on the issues that dog America… or about how this mysterious voice will spring forth from the basements of the White House and come to fix the multitude of problems that it, in fact, brought about.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:50 am PDT
I agree with you 100% - things happen for a reason. I found this by accident and noticed that we have some things in common. Thats what I love about the Internet, every blog is like a box of chocolates
Thanks - Great blog.